Some time after the late 1980's. The letters are scroll. This gun does not have the grip safety and has a serial number lower than any Bufalo I have ever seen making me wonder if it was actually a forerunner to the Bufalo instead of being made afterward. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Stoger as a firearms importer went out of buisness long ago, The name is used today by a publishing company. 23969, r ' r ! ' On a Llama it is usually on the left side of the frame just above the trigger guard. I pulled the left grip off and found the numbers '4 7 1' evenly spaced with the '7' subscripted. 175. VII, but in three calibers: 7.65 mm. Browning caliber, original blowback style, dating from about 193'31934, first issued without model designation, with factory catalog designation No. It is a Tauler model VI and is exactly what the Llama model VI looks like. i in I m iTii mi h1 h m li ii?i n nln m IimiIhmIi in In i?l 11 n Im7?Im nlitill m li li m^lin i Iniilni li, 111111111 j. I strongly suspect that Gabilondo y Cia started a continuous one ascending number system from the point where they adopted the Llama name (early 1930s?). VII (or IV) style are known to have been made in the 7.63 Mauser caliber, expressly for the German trade, and it is possible that the designation of Mod. Also, the last two digits after the dash (-) in the serial number should correspond with the code. A forum community dedicated to handgun owners and enthusiasts. Just trying to help!! If you advertise "looking for Blastomatic Model 11" with the specific serial number, you might find the current owner. TheGABILONDO Y CIA. For instance, my Llama has "D*2" on it. It has a double grip safety. serial number mfg manufacturer model caliber wpn type 107888 akk akkar silah sanayi tic field hunter 12 shotgun . If springs in the.32 and.380 problems as well? It came to me directly from Spain via my importer. iT : ! I am researching a mark on my.380 Llama with serial number 6XXXX. In the link provided, there is an example shown for '6 78' with a guess of 1978, though it's not certain. The photograph on the left is a picture of the right side of the receiver just above the trigger. Offered with black or pearl grips in chrome or blue according to the catalog but this one has white grips. Whether it is a X or XA it is a beautiful little piece and a heck of a lot of fun to shoot. By searching for the rifle serial number (search box ' Rifle Serial Number ' above) By using the SwissWaffen.com all rifle serial number list page or the all rifle serial number PDF. Also complying with the law is the stamp at the bottom indicating that the firearm was manufactured in Spain. Starting in 1927 Spanish law required them to be there when being made so they were there at least before the war started. III.-This was a 9 mm. The Arms Collectors website offers a lookup for Marlin serial numbers. IV. At some point after this some guns in need of work were sent to Astra to be refinished, later bought and sold by Interarms which was a CIA cover company. For instance, my. The cost is prohibitive in the best cases, when a state or local jurisdiction maintains a registry. The codes began with A in 1927, and after reaching Z in 1954, continued with A1 in 1955. Llama XI A - 9mm P - full size gun with 5" barrel . : Spain Date Code Serialization. The used value of a LLAMA AUTO 45 pistol has fallen $0.00 dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $374.18 . I, to which no model number was originally assigned. codes--they are the same. There are no Llama pistols designated as Models XII, XIII, and XIV as these designations have been reserved for and are used on the Llama revolvers. Marlin- The Collector's GUide to Serial Numbers and Technical Information. Item #: 963423345. Galesi Mod. (barrel has a barrel link like a 1911). Hi, I am trying to find out the year on a recently purchased Llama .380. This is purely a conjecture. Mod. The demand of new LLAMA AUTO 45 pistol's has risen 1 units over the past 12 months. Model VIII is chambered for the .38 Super. The 1914 Ruby in 7.65 - 9 shot with checkered wood grips as made for the French in WWI. Payment should come from the FFL Firearms Dealer . This gun, manufactured in 1980, is blow back operated. i , No. VI may have been given to these pistols. Not being especially interested in revolvers I have decided to add another page to cover the Llama revolvers, but like the semi autos I dont trust anything that is out there about them so I will have to collect them also to make sure I have the correct information. (asterisk) and then the number '2' as in 'D.2'. It just looks almost brand new with almost no wear. IX.-First described as a recoil-operated style of the Mod. Llama IXA was produced as a replacement for the IX .45cal - large base mag. This is a post-World War II production. Trades Accepted: We Buy, Sell, or Trade. After the war confiscated arms were separated as to good or bad and the bad guns were destroyed. I need a clip for it. It has a double grip safety. Work on a new design began in 1931 and culminated in 1932 with a Spanish patent issued on April 12th of that year. $ 399.00 For sale is a Llama Especial semi-automatic pistol in .380 ACP. This gun has no proof marks whatsoever. If you try to sell it to a gun shop, you can basically expect jack squat. Left side has some marking and then the letter D I believe that is the year marking for 1931. It was produced from 1936 and was still made in 1953 but does not appear in 1955 factory literature. They were used in trials but never passed the requirements and only Star and Astra were purchased. This next series of photographs show the stampings that are on the slide of this pistol. The gun shown below has the early slide markings on the left side and was made just before my M&P model VII which has the later slide markings. number in order to tell the age of a firearm.560996. Mod. This is an importers stamp that is now required to be placed on firearms that have entered the U.S. Spanish Blue Steel. I, to which no model number was originally assigned. This is purely a conjecture. This stamp identifies the importer of this pistol as Stoeger Industries, and tells us that they are located in South Hackensack, New Jersey. This tells you the gun's maker. I am almost always in the market for these guns so if you have something you want to get rid of let me know. It appears to be identical to Mod. On the opposite side of the slide it reads: LLAMA- GABILONDO Y CIA VITORIA (ESPANA) models of 1903, 1906, 1910, and 1922. The one I have now may end up being a good shooter but I'm still tinkering with it. Hi, I am trying to find out the year on a recently purchased Llama .380. This was the original Llama pistol, dating from 1931-32, in 9 mm. 2514, l'l'l'l'J'H I' I' IM ' I' t I > I' I III HJ I IH|' > M' HJ I I' I' IM f I 'J M M *!I' * I n, 'Til :l'llll!llM)|l|'|i||? The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. This is a Commander size with a double stack magazine. Possibly more but the other one I have seen. *f j : 11: t i : ' : ' i?. When first issued no model number was assigned but the factory catalog designation was No. However, many police departments do not offer this service. Last edited by nailcreek; 27th March 2005 at 16:01 . This gun is Geco marked above the trigger. caliber, was issued along with Mod. Stoeger Llama S Serial Number Can Be This serial number can be used to search for the make, model and history of a gun, but the type of information the average person can get is limited.Heres the scoop on what info a guns serial number can dish out.Look for Identifying Marks As of 2002, imported firearms must also bear a serial number . It may be a special variant of the Mod. Although Spain began proof marking shotguns in 1910, it was not until July 18, 1923, nearly 5 years after the end of the first world war that Spain's proofing system for its pistols came into use. 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I have never seen any information on this pistol and it was quite a surprise. Time will tell. The letter for the date code with the asteriskon top is still in use to this very day. Locked Breech as you can see in the photo below, 161mm overall length, 94mm barrel and 8 round magazine. They had the straight serrations of the earlier series. A Note About Vintage Guns. 1111! Browning caliber, original blowback style, dating from about 193'31934, first issued without model designation, with factory catalog designation No. Llama 380 Serial Number History t (11111 tTl 1111111M t 11111 i 111M11 11111MI * 11111 t?l i 11! Larry Well Larry, Thanks so much for the help! Ask it to dinner and a movie? Starting at the left and reading towards the right, the first symbol is a tad hard to make out in the photograph but it is a knights helmet and shield with the X inside. I I I I'l'i I'll I' I ' I H ( < I I I I l I ( I I I < 1 I I' I 'III. Earlier issues had a lanyard ring at bottom of left side of the grip frame, but this ring was omitted in later issues and the grip pieces were redesigned. so on. Largo/.38 ACP is identical to Mod. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. They were of high quality and have been sold around the world. But unless the owner speaks up and wants to sell, then you'll never know. The LF which stands for long frame came in a variety of finishes, but never Stainless Steel as may be claimed. Gunsmithing, Troubleshooting & Refinishing, M1911 Disassembly and reassembly animations, Tests of Products of general shooters interest, Airsoft/Air Gun Modifications, Troubleshooting and Maintenance. Sometimes the mark is on the left side below the slide release. If multiple models appear for your serial number simply match the date with the appropriate model, as certain vintage firearms can share serial numbers between different models. iT : ! liiliiiin:l'iilir :f II?! With this importers mark, we now know that this Llama model IX-A came in to the U.S. X. Mod. In 1954 the XA changed to have the rounded back on the frame and grips as well as a magazine that was large base. Thanks! To this weapon was given the trade name Llama" which is the name for currently made Gabilondo pistols. iiull.l'%'lr. Mod. >' |1'11 * 1 >J <111 | | 11111 1111. The gun could have been deemed "unserviceable" and destroyed. The slide has a rounded top with no sight ramp. Largo/.38 ACP is identical to Mod. The photograph on the right is of the butt or heel of the pistol with the magazine inserted. The demand of used LLAMA AUTO 45 pistol's has risen 1 units over the past 12 months. Llama Pistol Serial Number Identification Lookup Llama Pistol Serial Number Identification 2016 MODEL NUMBER LOOKUP SYSTEM The Heritage Model Number Lookup System will help you find detailed information about your Heritage Gun. I won't shoot them much, but would like to get a couple of each just in case.my son and daughter might appreciate that when they go to sell 'emm after I'm gone. This command uses the Windows Management Instrumentation Command . A278), order number (i.e. This Llama pistol features a 5 1/8 inch barrel and has a fixed blade front sight and adjustable rear sight. By the end of the war it is thought that Gabilondo alone produced from 250,000 to 300,000 pistols. It may be a special variant of the Mod. 11 r 1^11M ! according to the serial number. The Logo on the grips is BC not GB for Gregorio Bolumburu as some report it to be. Serial number has been in two different places also. 7733, !b.wJi' ''' ' '.I'111'1'!'1! They started making a gun in 1914 based on the Browning 1903 and the modifications of the design by earlier guns like the Astra Victoria 1911 and called it the Ruby. Is it a locked breech model? Today Stoeger Industries has offices in several states with their corporate office being located at 17603 Indian Head Hwy, Accokeek, MD 20607 and their telephone number is 800-264-4962. 528. III. There was also a version in 7.65 parabellum made for export to Germany and possibly other countries, but no indication it was ever offered in the USA. Visit the manufacturer's website and see if there is a way to do an S/N number check on the website and see what information is available. 'l!llltliMilillllinilim, No. The list price of the Omni 9mm in the 1983 Gun Digest was $599.99, at a time when the S&W Model 59 listed for only $371.50. models of 1903, 1906, 1910, and 1922. Well here is your chance. 73214. The demand of used LLAMA 32ACP pistol's has not changed over the past 12 months. After the Spanish civil war theGABILONDO companymoved its facilities to Vitoria, Spain where they continued to produced handguns under the Llama trade name. Enter the words "gun serial number" in the search bar, followed by the portion of the number before the first hyphen. Ameba Ownd - . 330 7.65 mm. Feb 06, 2013 Pilot. Its odd but I suspect they used an in stockframe and slide that were sitting on shelves in an effort to save a few dollars. I also have a pic of this gun with Tauler on it. Short, second blowback pattern and more closely approached the external shape of the Mod. Locked Breech as you can see in the photo below, 161mm overall length, 94mm barrel and 8 round magazine. If you still have trouble finding results for Llama Serial Number after simplifying your search term then we strongly suggest using the alternative sites (linked above). The table below indicates the various year codes. Llama pistols built before 1936 will have slide markings that reads GABILONDO Y CIA. My wife has a Llama .380 she inherited from her step-father. You must click the search button to get your results. We find a lot of Llamas from the 30's that have their proof marks removed and I feel like this was done in the refinishing. Also, based on the fact there are no . Llama IX D - .45 Cal. Pic isn't very good but the best I can do at the time. Jlllll;|!||'|!llii||.|,l||M[|in!Hltlltlllll, No. I.-This was a 7.65 mm. I recently purchased a used 12 ga. semi-auto "Luigi Francia (not Franchi) Brescia" per engraving on receiver and barrel. Introduced in 1996. The LLAMA-GABILONDO Y CIA VIORIA(ESPANA) a was used on current production firearms before LLama itself went out of buisness The last production of LLAMA handguns was by Bersa out of Argentina If you do a Google search of Stoeger and read the Wikipedia entry on the company and do the . On the right side of the frame, Union Switch & Signal inserted double spaces in "M 1911 A1" whereas Colt rolled it out all crammed together ("M1911A1") and Remington-Rand, Ithaca, and Singer inserted single spaces ("M 1911 A1"). Llama III self-loading pistol modeled after the Colt 1911, and chambered in .380 ACP. It is still in production. start with a single letter, like "A", from the 1930s. Did not realize refreshing the site would do that. No. Unless one of the Llamas has this mark or you have the bring back papers you cannot tell for sure if it was used in Germany during the war or not. From what I found it looks to be a Llama III. On some guns this proof may appear on the left rear of the slide, on the left of the frame or on the barrel in the ejection port. III and is merely a smaller version of that model (Fig. After WW II the serial # reads with barrel to the left (except for serial numbers on the fore strap thru 1957). Spanish law more or less says if you do not make it in Spain the patent is no good, so Browning lost. You still pay the normal price, our commission comes from their profit, so you have nothing to lose, while we have something to gain. It could be in a collection someplace. MA255LL/A) or Apple serial number in the search field above.Our system will decode the serial number to identify the type of Apple device you have. If this is your first visit, be sure to The serial number is 563842 which I *think* puts production somewhere around 1970-ish. This pistol is still made. ELOEIBAR (ESPANA)and be marked with the caliber of the handgun such as CAL. The Extra refers to the extra 1/2 inch length of the barrel as it did in the Ruby Extra. Both the solid rib and the vent rib were used, Llama model -XI 9mm P. The first design had the W spring detent and possibly came with only lined wood grips asthat is the only way I have seen them. This dates from about 1935 and was produced until about 1954. 332 7.65 mm. Regards, Cal44. Fully recoil-operated Llama pistols of the Mod. Known as a Modelo Extra. Fig. In 1931, company began to produce a semi-automatic pistol based on Colt Model 1911. VI may have been given to these pistols. Thanks again for the information! I have now seen a second one made in 2001. DURAGRIPS - Llama IIIA XA XV III Micromax .22 .32 .380 Tactical Grips - Checker. Your gun doesn't have a serial number, because it was manufactured, before 1968. Ecuadorian Air Force Contract Llama .380 Micro Max. Caliber is marked on the front of the slide where is says Llama and can be seen in the larger photo. I have seen the Llama and Cal. I would not exactly call it a rib because it doesn't appear to be for that purpose. 1911. 45 or, GABILONDO Y CIA. Jul 7, 2015. Given this, I could assume my Llama was made in 1971. Llama XA 7.65 blow back, manufactured in 1951 thru 54 in this configuration with the angled corner on the back of the frame and the magazine up inside the frame. |I|'|II JI|i|IH|'ll|'l'ji PPI'I'PI'I Jl|'|ll'|'l'l'l'ji|l|l I I|' ' . It is a recoil operated, locked breech semi automatic pistol. Any help with this would be very much appreciated. Proofs and made in Spain have been wiped in a refinish, along with most of the GC in an oval on the right side of the gun. : r 11 r^' 1! LlamaPolice Model- Manufacture 1933 date code F, blow back operated, cal 7.65 or .380, 7 round mag, barrel 3 ". They came with and without the serrations at the front of the slide. Colt Officers size with a 7 shot capacity. s U i'*i* V k I ! : :ri i ! Model E-IX-A two vent rib second series which started in 1970. Big Sean Finally Famous Deluxe Edition Zip Sharebeast. Kingston, NY 12401, 2023 Numrich Gun Parts Corporation. Little Tom Wiener Waffenfabrik Vienna, Austria No. Shown with grips that I think were never used on US imports. This gun had a change in the way the safety was made to the same look as the later model I above had. They also made it with El Soldado stamped on the slide, meaning the Soldier. This is a Ruby 7 shot 7.65 mm made in 1928 with a B date code. I know the basic history of Llama but I'm not sure exactly what model we have. Unlike the other Llama large frame guns this one is thinner at 3/4" in thickness and is actually comparable to the Star A or B in size. Mod. d'Armes de Guerre de Grande Precision Beistegui Hermanos, Eibar, Spain No. As a result of this only Astra continued to make guns after that territory was taken over by the Nationalists. On that pistol it will probably be a letter followed by a number, with an * between. But the funny thing it has no markings aside from the serial # and the manufacturing stamp. I will add here that Spain never bought guns from Llama for anygovernment agency unless it was the Trauler model VI for the Secret Service, that I can find any record of. Shortly after the production of this first model, a blowback style based upon the external shape of the Colt-Browning was introduced. After going Owners of these rifles should contact Daisy at 1-800-354-8841 for information on returning their gun (s). 3 <1r~ijT-iI '7 I I ri I ,'lfTT'l U| .Hl .Tin irMWi n ft j 111 iTiTTln 1 r 11 Tl Mt 1111 f 11 ill t tl< iTf la 111 l*i>l I ill 1M11 Ii f Inl7i tl I ill iTTlnill III >i I iliiftillllirtaiBlln llllTll 11111 III I 'illilli, No. It was made prior to World War II only. The right place to find all older Star pistol model numbers is on the butt, as seen in the illustrations below and photo to the right. ' r nn< . X-A.-This is identical to Mod. 'l''',!' The problem I am having is that the D says its made in 1931 but the pictures for this gun say they started manufacture in 1933. through the alphabet once, they started with "A*1," then "B*1" Short, second blowback pattern and more closely approached the external shape of the Mod. That's when the feds demanded all guns, after '68, receive serial numbers. This addition seems to have been the first application of a grip safety to a Llama pistol and was introduced prior to World War II. The serial number is listed after the word "Serial Number," "SSN," "S/N," or "SN.". The second sub-variant has a 4.25 inch barrel (108 mm) with the front sight set back about 5/16 inch (8 mm) from the muzzle. The flaming bomb proof indicated that a semi-automatic pistol was fired and had passed two proof loads, each of which was 30 percent more then the normal maximum operating pressure. 33406, I'i i i i i i j m i i 111 |. Largo (Bergmann) caliber. Purdey, James (London) 1814-1900. They are solid shooters except for the MiniMax II SC model. Four months later orders would be increased to 30,000 a month. During this period they made a Max I LF with the old 1980's frame and a slide of the Max typeand called it the El Militar. The pistol was in beautiful shape, and I believe untouched. Several styles of grip pieces and markings have been noted. lAtttl'WlfrllNO AMU SilCX FIUNGHN Ht JlHT MIING HN TC, Knife Throwing Techniques of the Ninja. This is all based on my research online but I'm certainly not 100%. Now under the left grip I found an F followed the numbers 234 which also happens to be stamped on the barrel trigger and back strap. V.-Made in 9 mm. Officers were to furnish their own guns so many Llamas were sold, although I have only seen one large caliber gun with the Geco mark. At the same time they wentto the blow back design for the IIIA also. It looks like all but the 25-2 are sporting their original stocks. VII (or IV) style are known to have been made in the 7.63 Mauser caliber, expressly for the German trade, and it is possible that the designation of Mod. III.-This was a 9 mm. Manufactured Under Item:14505864 Gabilondo & Cia Llama Model VII Modelo Extra 9mm Largo, Blue 5 " SA Semi-Automatic Pistol, MFD 1932-44 C&R For Sale at GunAuction.com Mod. In 1931 it was decided to modernize their line by undertaking the manufacture of the external hammer, recoil-operated system originally designed by Browning and used by Colt and the Fabrique Nationale. Leonhardt H. M. Gering and Co. Arnstadt, Germany No. It seemed like the correct forum for the post as there were other posts related to the weapon already present there. Llama Llama means Flame in Spanish, but they used the animal as their logo as well. 67,567. !im!llullMlIlin lili llllltllllllim jj iiiiliiiTiiiiilimliniliiitiiinlimliiiitiinliiiiliiMliiiiliif, ^^Tii lmtlii ^^ > i lili n^ii i tlii Tt 11111 ti 1 ft i In i * i t Ii i iTn itlt^!!?! 29681, No. Parabellum, 9 mm. Browning Short caliber, heavier than Mod. 2.5 2.5 out of 5 stars (6) $47.99 $ 47. Not much is known about the Llama serial number sequencing, so we are attempting to do a database spreadsheet. I had a guy offer me a llama 380 with three mags for $200. I have a.22, a.32 (both post war) and the.380 which dates to 1942-1943. In 1931 it was decided to modernize their line by undertaking the manufacture of the external hammer, recoil-operated system originally designed by Browning and used by Colt and the Fabrique Nationale. 'F. The pistols these 4 companies, Armera Elgoibaressa y Cia, Echealasa y Vincinai y Cia, , Hijos de Angel Echeverria y Cia, produced were not of the Gabilondo quality but were accepted by the French government. Libia Exported by Fab. Always have. Llama XVIII - .25 cal called the Executive. During the Spanish Civil war all of the gun makers were within the Republican (Basque) held territory, even Astra who was actually on the side of the Nationalist or on the side with the Catholic Church actually. Both are identical to the Llama Mod. Llama X - 7.65 blow back, 166mm overall length, no rib on the slide, grip safety, 8 shot magazine, Manufactured thru 1950. It has been suggested that the name Modello IV may have been reserved for the Tauler pistol which is identical to it. My understanding is that at this time Gabilondo had 5 employees. Llama Model 1, Walther P38, Llama 38.. Three vent first series starting in 1955and being made thru 1969. t fg^Ap, [Tyc I: . III is distinguished by the addition of the grip safety but otherwise is the same as Mod. This stamp will either have the letter P inside the bomb for semi-automatic pistols or the letter R for revolvers. Largo, and .45 ACP. Exploded view of the IIIA, VIII, .IXA, XIA. Llama 32 Serial Number Lookup The photograph on the left is a picture of the right side of the receiver just above the trigger. I n 11 ' I J .J. This is a full size gun with a double stack 10 round magazine magazine to comply with California law. Barrel length is 5 1/2" This gun has an internal extractor like the Colt. 1252895 gaa llama max i 45 pistol p803458 mos mossberg 500 410 shotgun r733890 mos mossberg 500 12 shotgun e121374 naa north american arms mini master target 22 revolver In 1992 Gabilondo y cia went bankrupt and was purchase by the workers forming Fabrinor. The first pistol produced was an exact copy of the Colt Mod. Hungarian 'Pistole Mod. X, with the addition of a grip safety, which was added immediately following World War II. My wife has a Llama .380 she inherited from her step-father. X.-This pistol, in 7.65 mm. Llama model 87 Competition 9mm, 40 SW and 7.65 P. This gun is much the same as the model 82 but, so I am told, was built under contract by Beretta for Llama. iflilimtT' ' f ^ I